Fos disagreed with Senators like John Williams who beliebe FOS can apply the common law burden of proof to civil illegality cases ....instead of telling folks that a bank in Sydnay can't commit fraud in Queensland (hmm, can't a bank branch in Qld commit crimes in Qld, Mr Fos??). ASIC won't investigate 80 files of loan frauds by bank. Fos knows that, Senator Dastyari, and Fos sends old victims off to ASIC. Disgraceful. Is FOS aiding and abetting - its not a Government agency, its a Ltd Liability Corporation run by banks that Medcraft's ASIC allows people to think its an "Ombudsman". What a stink! I bet that FOS is giving financial advice and ts not licensed by law and accounting societies to give advice, like settle. Hmmmm.
# Sam Dastyari, Anna Burke, Pauline Hansen, Clive palmer, Jackie Lambie, adam Bandt, Mathias Commbankman MP,
Joe Hockedeveryoneelsetotheeyeballs MP.
Coal seam gas debate: Dayne Pratzky vs Steve Wright
Sounds like CSG follow people like the bank's 'spies' did to those poor Senators' function with Kahmahl and Michael Fraser!!!
Sounds like bully boys are at work on embattled folks.
Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Reporter: Tony Jones
'Frackman' Dayne Pratzky and Steve Wright, Director of the Energy Resource Information Centre, agreed to debate the issues in the Lateline studio with Tony Jones
TONY JONES, PRESENTER: To take this whole debate further, we're joined now by two people you saw in the piece, Dayne Pratzky, otherwise known as the Frackman, and Steve Wright, the director of the Energy Resource Information Centre.
Thanks for both of you for being here.
DAYNE PRATSKY, FRACKMAN: Thanks for having us.
STEVE WRIGHT, DIRECTOR, ENERGY RESOURCE INFO. CENTRE: Evening.
TONY JONES: Dayne, we'll start with you. You said at the end there this election is make or break. Is it your main focus to encourage voters to get rid of sitting MPs who back coal seam gas?
DAYNE PRATSKY: Yes, it is. It's a major objective of the film and that's why we're running out in those seats that we feel that we can have an influence. And it's clear by the polling so far that we are having an influence and the current government have the attitude of "Drill, baby, drill," and we need to turn that around and if they don't turn it around, we'll turn it around for them.
TONY JONES: Steve Wright, it's a grassroots bandwagon. What do you do, what does the industry do to get in its way to stop it, to impede its progress?
STEVE WRIGHT: Well, what the industry does is what it's tried to do for decades, over decades of successful and safe extraction of natural gas from across many parts of Australia, and that is, continue to reassure communities that it is doing everything it can to make sure that the services delivered, the gas is delivered to the 5.5 million people who use natural gas in their homes and in their businesses with the smallest amount of risk to anybody, whether it's environment or people or whatever.
TONY JONES: And the other thing it does, and I think this is an indication of just how seriously the industry is taking this whole Frackman thing, it sends you everywhere that he goes.
STEVE WRIGHT: (Laughs)
TONY JONES: You're pretty much welded to each other at the moment, even in this studio.
STEVE WRIGHT: Well, it's a great delight to be following such a charismatic man.
TONY JONES: But you stick to him like glue, don't you?
STEVE WRIGHT: Well, I think that's probably a little strong. The attachment's not welded by a petroleum product, glue, and I would say that we've probably sort of coincided more than it's been stuck together.
TONY JONES: Now, you're not a scientist, are you?
STEVE WRIGHT: Ah, no, I'm not a scientist.
TONY JONES: So what are you, a PR guy?
STEVE WRIGHT: I'm actually a person who's worked in a number of industry representative groups in different industries that are regulated industries. That's the background that I bring to trying to do what I can to tell the story of how this industry has been working to deliver a necessary and very useful product, a very useful product, by the way, in terms of addressing some of those climate change issues that you were talking about in the piece earlier, as shown in the US. And helping people to realise that perhaps sometimes there can be a little exaggeration in what is said about the dangers.
TONY JONES: Now Dayne, do you find it at all intimidating to be followed around everywhere you go by an industry representative who is there basically to give the opposing point of view or is it just democracy?
DAYNE PRATSKY: Oh, look, if they're happy follow me around, I'm happy to have them. And what we found is when I went to Washington, D.C., we also had Santos - we ran into Santos in the train station, so it seems to be a regular thing for the industry to seem to want to follow us around, which is fine by me. If they think I'm that much of a threat. I'm just one guy who came from some small residential blocks in Chinchilla, Tara District. If I've got the coal seam gas industry on the run, well, you know, that's good.
TONY JONES: Tell us what got you fired up in the beginning. How did you get involved in this? Because whilst we've seen a little glimpse of the film, we haven't seen the whole thing and your backstory obviously has driven you in this direction.
DAYNE PRATSKY: Yes, well, look, I had the industry come over the top of me and just said, "Look, we're going to drill on your land and if you don't like it, we'll take you to Land Court." And I thought that was unfair and I fought them. And from there I worked out what was actually happening in our whole district, where they planned to sink about 30,000 wells and with three major companies and a lot of people were going to be bullied like I was bullied. And they really did ...
TONY JONES: So when you say bullying, what do you mean? Have you been bullied yourself and have you seen others bullied?
DAYNE PRATSKY: They attempted to bully me and I fought back. I have met a lady, the Norder (phonetic spelling) family, who were bullied into signing a contract for $265 per well and per year and basically signed away their farm and rights of their farm and the production rights for their farm. So, what we have ...
TONY JONES: And what - and now their view of this?
DAYNE PRATSKY: Well they obviously are against it. They've got 11 children who are becoming ill, they can't use the water out of their rainwater tanks, they live next to a central processing plant, they live next to compressor stations and they've got hundreds and hundreds of wells around them. And what we find is that is unfair and it's not the way this country was - works. We're built on a fair go for everybody and that's not giving the Norder (phonetic spelling) family a fair go. They have lost control of their property. They've tried to sell their property and it is unsellable. The real estate agents will not actually list it. So, it's not fair that they would like to leave that area, but they're trapped and that's not Australian.
TONY JONES: Now, Steve Wright, you obviously can't speak on behalf of every worker in the industry. Is it possible that bullying has been happening in Queensland in the way described here?
STEVE WRIGHT: Well, you're right, I can't speak in that way. What I can do though is pick up a point that Dayne is making about the people who are in the film alongside him, if you like. They are four or five in number, I guess, and on the other side of that coin, there are 5,000 landholder agreements which have been signed by people with Queensland Gas Company and other operators in the area. And the large majority of those who are regularly polled and questioned by the companies involved about their state of satisfaction say they are satisfied and would be happy to have further engagement with those companies.
TONY JONES: Can I - just - sorry, I'll bring you back in a minute because you're obviously burning to get in. But how much will one - I understand, and I think this fact was in the film, that an individual well, gas well will pump out $500,000 a year worth of gas, so a single well will do that. How much are you paying farmers per well?
STEVE WRIGHT: Well, that varies and it's a matter between the parties.
TONY JONES: How does it vary because the argument ...
STEVE WRIGHT: I don't think there would be too many that are getting $250.
DAYNE PRATSKY: Sorry, it's $265 actually, Steve.
STEVE WRIGHT: (Inaudible) ... very, very few ... (inaudible).
TONY JONES: How does it vary so widely though, because one of the arguments made and in the film in fact is that there's a divide-and-conquer thing that goes on when the gas companies go into these neighbourhoods. They offer quite a large sum to somebody and then a smaller sum to somebody else. Why isn't there just a uniform sum if each well produces the same amount of gas?
STEVE WRIGHT: Well what they do do is operate at three different levels. They operate with individuals, they operate with representatives of individual groups and they operate with business community and other civic groups to try to do what they can to contribute to the community and to strike a fair bargain with landholders about utilising their land for development of the gas resources.
TONY JONES: Alright. Well let's hear from Dayne on that.
DAYNE PRATSKY: Well, look, I've seen them contribute to communities alright. They've contributed to Chinchilla with over 400 houses that are now empty and investors have done their money. We have existing residents who are forced out of town because the rents went sky high, and now that the heavy construction phase of the industry is over and now they're moving into production phase, they've lost the tenants and the people who invested in those properties and who are existing residents are now going broke. So that's the sort of contribution the industry actually makes to your community.
TONY JONES: And what happens to the local landscape? I mean, there's a sort of industrialisation that happens with that many wells, one presumes.
DAYNE PRATSKY: Correct. Well as we saw with - Steven said that my land was not farming land and - but does that mean just because my land is not farming land, I don't have the right to peace and quiet on my 250 acres? It's my land, I pay the rates and I do have the right to not have my residential neighbourhood industrialised and that's what we have an issue here is the industry come in and they industrialise rural landscapes. And I didn't move from Sydney's Northern Beaches to Chinchilla for industrial landscape. I moved there for a bit of peace and quiet and that's not what I got when the industry came to town.
TONY JONES: Well, Steve, do you suspect people understand what they're getting? I mean, these wells operate 24 hours a day, seven days a week, the trucks come in and out of these neighbourhoods pretty regularly, you get new roads and a lot of movement and a lot of noise as well as presumably the smell of the gas, which I haven't been in Chinchilla, so I can't say that's the case, but you do hear anecdotally that it's rather bad for people who live there.
STEVE WRIGHT: Well, for starters, gas which comes out of the ground does not have a smell. So if there's a smell, that's probably from another source or it's after it's been through some kind of processing. In relation to do people understand?, well certainly people who live anywhere near Camden have some understanding where you can see the co-existence of agriculture, other types of activity including horse studs and other recreational activities very close to an operating field which has been there for 15 years.
TONY JONES: Alright, we're nearly out of time. I'm just going back to the politics of this. Obviously it had a big impact on the Queensland election. You've now got Alan Jones backing you in NSW. Do you think it will have a serious impact on the results of the NSW election?
DAYNE PRATSKY: Well, look, we've seen the NSW current government cancelling licences left, right and centre, trying to appease the people who are against coal seam gas. So, clearly they're leading into the election worried about it. But what we do find is a lot of those licences that were cancelled were piecemeal because they couldn't drill in a lot of them anyway and even the company that owned some of the licences near Foster said there was no gas there, so ... .
TONY JONES: OK. We're nearly out of time, so Steve Wright, you've got a chance to respond here, and bear in mind, that's true, Mike Baird's been cancelling licences, he's been suspending others, put a moratorium in other areas. They're obviously very worried.
STEVE WRIGHT: What I would say is that the Government, with its gas plan, has done its utmost to try to establish a way forward that can keep everybody happy as far as possible. What's happening right now is that you are getting some polarising views that are being aired and very vigorously and that's part of the political process. I would urge everybody, before they make their own decisions about coal seam gas, about fracking, about natural gas, have a look ...
TONY JONES: Alright. Got to wrap up there.
STEVE WRIGHT: Have a look at natural gasfacts.org.au
TONY JONES: Alright, OK. I'm sorry I've got to say goodbye to you tonight. We're nearly out of time. That's all we have time for.
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go see frackman !!!!
We need a royal commission
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The banks invented fos and stacked its terms and processes against consumers ....smelly grimy stuff. The fos plays 'dumb' and stonewalls ..as interest increases to eat up your assets too. Campbell Newman, Baird and Abbott & Freiends will be tossed out soon. The naughty kids with their hand in the til will get more than a smack. It'll be a smack down, Mr Medcraft.
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